Natalie Monbiot met Mark “Moose” McGrath through a cross-disciplinary group they both belong to. She had heard Mark describe Boyd’s Destruction and Creation, the Conceptual Spiral and the OODA sketch. Mark led this conversation, and I joined them. Natalie’s first reaction stayed with me: Boyd asks us to keep revising what we think and how we think.
The couch potato risk
Natalie sees a real danger in letting AI do our thinking. It is easy to hand over the cognitive work. She points to early research suggesting people who rely on LLMs for that work get worse at it. She wants AI to spark human creativity and keep people in the loop.
AI avatars and twins
Natalie works on AI avatars and AI twins in the corporate world. She shares how companies can keep transparency, accountability and control when they deploy them. We also talk about customer experience, and how AI can add value while keeping the human touch.
Society and work
We look at what AI means for employment and the laws being written to protect people. Intellectual property comes up, and so does the question of AI consciousness.
For us, this is orientation. A person who keeps updating their own models stays able to judge what the machine hands back. Natalie wants a future where people and AI both thrive.
What thinking have you handed to AI that you should take back?
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Written by Ponch Rivera with AI assistance in production. The full conversation is in the player below.