Leonard Francis, the Malaysian contractor known as Fat Leonard, exploited weaknesses in Navy operations for years. Investigative journalist Tom Wright has dug into how he did it. Mark “Moose” McGrath and I, a former naval aviator and a former Marine officer, asked Tom what it says about the culture we served in.
The scandal
Tom walks through how Francis worked the system. Corruption, manipulation and ethical breaches spread on a massive scale. Deep cultural and systemic problems in the Navy let it happen, and national security paid for it.
Whistleblowers and investigators
We talk about the whistleblowers who tried to raise the alarm and what it cost them. Tom describes the struggles of the NCIS investigators who worked the case.
Orientation, captured
For us, this is a story about orientation. Francis learned how the Navy saw the world and fed it what it wanted to see. We compare military corruption with financial scandals. Press freedom and investigative journalism matter because they expose what insiders miss.
The episode is about unchecked power, accountability in leadership and the work of keeping an institution honest.
What would an outsider see in your organization that insiders have stopped noticing?
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Written by Ponch Rivera with AI assistance in production. The full conversation is in the player below.