At the World Agility Forum in 2023, I sat down with Dr. Delia McCabe and Pete Behrens. Delia studies the brain under stress, and Pete coaches leaders. We asked what leadership coaching looks like when AI is everywhere.
Overload and the brain
We start with information overload and how the brain functions in leadership roles. Leaders sometimes miscalculate and dismiss the people who work for them. Delia explains why people keep doing harmful things even when they know the risks.
Boundaries
We share practical tips on setting boundaries for mental well-being. Delia covers dopamine hits as a way people reduce stress, and how the prefrontal cortex changes as the day goes on. Clear goals and a brain set up for focus make a difference to productivity.
Learning and creativity
We look at the future of learning and creativity with generative AI in the job market. Businesses are bringing people together on purpose now that remote work is common. We reflect on what AI means for innovation, leadership and decision-making.
This episode is not medical advice.
Orientation depends on a brain that has room to think.
What boundary would give your team more room to think this week?
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Written by Ponch Rivera with AI assistance in production. The full conversation is in the player below.


