Jeff Sutherland co-created Scrum, and before that he flew the RF-4C. Steve McCrone and I asked him about the state of the Agile community and where peak performance comes from.
Back to first principles
Jeff connects Scrum to John Boyd’s energy-maneuverability theory and to what neuroscience now says about teams. He shows us how he tracks his own energy and stress through the day. For Jeff, a team’s peak performance starts with the people in it.
Agile at scale
We look at why so many Agile transformations stall, and what leaders have to change. Jeff describes the companies he sees as the most agile today, with autonomous teams working toward one visible goal. He also talks about human-machine teaming and Scrum alongside AI.
From my side, Scrum protects a team so it can focus, share goals and share risk. Those same conditions let a team find flow, and aviation taught us that people can train them.
What would your team need to protect its focus for one full sprint?
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Written by Ponch Rivera with AI assistance in production. The full conversation is in the player below.


