Martin “Muph” Murphy has taught the OODA loop and built his own models of how teams work. He is fascinated by why people stick with old habits for so long. Mark “Moose” McGrath and I asked him how dynamic teaming can help a business adapt.
Dynamic teams
Martin draws on Navy SEALs and aviation teams. He argues that dynamic teaming structures help organizations adapt better than rigid hierarchies. Psychological safety sits at the center of that, and so does collaboration in place of internal competition.
Orientation and trauma
We talk about the OODA loop as a nonlinear process, with empathy and social intelligence in it. Trauma and personal experience shape orientation and perception, and that changes how people decide. Boyd’s point holds: aligning with reality matters more than acting quickly. Red teaming is one exercise Martin uses to build that alignment.
Small changes, big shifts
We look at cultural shifts and how they change professional practice. General McChrystal’s Team of Teams comes up, and so does Buckminster Fuller’s trim tab, the small adjustment that turns a large ship.
We close on veterans and the part they can play in moving society from competition toward collaboration.
Where would one small adjustment change how your team works together?
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Written by Ponch Rivera with AI assistance in production. The full conversation is in the player below.


